digging for answers into the actions and motives of the boston marathon bombing suspects the surviving assailant was captured by police so the attack was inspired by u.s. wars in iraq and afghanistan while investigators arrive in russia to get more info on his brother's visit last year. nato feeling the pinch financial troubles of biting into the military budgets of its european allies the us struggling with a disproportionate responsibility to fund the block's defense. following the hunger strike at one time obey detention center dragged into its third month officials saying the number of inmates refusing food risen to ninety two protesters taking to the streets in london in support of the life you k. resident still held there.

ten pm in moscow i'm not a good having you with us here on r t our top story the u.s. forces in iraq and afghanistan motivated the worst attack on u.s. soil in more than a decade that's what the surviving suspect in the boston marathon bombings told investigators john hartson i also claim he and his brother acted alone in carrying out the twin blasts artie's honest i see churkin as more from boston. as the nineteen year old boston bombing suspect joe hart's are naiads condition improves from serious to fair he's beginning to reveal information to investigators from what we're hearing on the ground according to official certain i have just said that the motive behind the two bombings that took place on monday april fifteenth or the wars you what the u.s. has been fighting in iraq and afghanistan according to officials are now it has also said that him and his brother were self radhika lies he allegedly says that

the two brothers were not involved and were not in contact with any foreign extremist groups and that they learned everything themselves by basically going online and learning how to build build the bombs through the internet he has also said that his older brother to milan started i have who was twenty six years old at the time of the bombings is according to joe hart the mastermind behind the attacks that they carried out now here in boston right now obviously as this investigation continues the barricades of the area that was cordoned off at the finishing line of the boston marathon are being removed we know that the eight year old victim of the bombings has been laid to rest here on tuesday and earlier boston the hospitals also announced that the number of people injured has risen up from over one hundred seventy five to two hundred and sixty people now as this information comes in in

terms of just hard being able to share more of course we have to remind our viewers that he is that he has been charged with the use of weapons of mass destruction as well as militias destruction of property resulting in death and what this means is that your hearts are ny is now faced with a death penalty or any number of years behind bars including being imprisoned for life he's also faced with a fine of two hundred fifty thousand u.s. dollars and obviously he's being treated. a federal criminal right now although there was talk earlier about the possibility of trying him in a military tribunals but the white house has revoked this option it's also important to mention that of course the f.b.i. now is being grilled about their knowledge of the older brother tamerlan traveling to russia back in two thousand and twelve because of course according to our knowledge russian officials advised the united states to look into his identity to

see whether or not he could possibly be involved with any kind of extremist radical groups and the f.b.i. back then two years ago deemed him not dangerous and freedom and of course has been receiving major criticism here in boston and throughout the united states with people saying that possibly maybe this attack could have been prevented we're continuing reporting from the ground as this story develops and it's going to boston massachusetts and u.s. officials have traveled to dagestan where they interviewed the suspects parents are gathering information about tamra lands visit there in two thousand and twelve meanwhile a local resident was able to capture the dramatic shootout between the two boston bombing suspects and police tarlatan and john hartson i have used another pressure cooker bomb similar to device to device is that they detonate allegedly detonated during the marathon police said that tara line was being handcuffed when his younger brother ran him over while fleeing the scene your horror of eventually found hiding in a boat in a residential neighborhood after a widescale manhunt the founder of independent media outlet wideawake news though

charlie mcgrath so. washington could be creating enemies because of how it conducts the war on terror. nikolai seeing the world seems to be what we're really good at right now getting people angry at this nation certainly seems to be a valid argument that is going to be brought before we've been waging a war on terror for over a decade now we've destabilized how many countries and we're killing how many nationals that have nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever and we're doing it for reasons that the american people. been lied to overwrite weapons of mass destruction and so on so can this lead to people becoming hostile towards the west how can it not affect the columbia law school's human rights institute six months ago came out the report showing a that obama is exponentially increased the number of drone strikes since he's been president ninety eight percent of the casualties and drone strikes are civilian so it's fifty civilians killed for every one so-called high value target that's being killed the notion we want peace with the rest of the world well that's all we're

that's all talk when the cameras are on and those cameras are off the drones why and people die well in the wake of the boston bombings the chechen militant commander one of russia's most wanted man ahmed was interviewed by c.n.n. where he denied that son i have brothers who are ethnic chechens had any ties to militant groups earlier my colleague spoke with her to go about why those it. was given and international media platform. kid living in london he's actually really well known person out there his cause is being supported by none other than vanessa redgrave a prominent. he actually happens to be an actor himself and you can tell that he's made quite quite a switch from the old days when you say fifteen years ago when he was a field commander you know you see him with a bearded man dressed in fatigues in calif. military wear and now he's wearing you know nice dress suits with the bias you know as

a terrorist because he's known for his connection to heart of who was the mastermind behind several of the terror attacks which happened in in russia particularly the theater siege and the north. two thousand and two russia has actually presented documents that have supported evidence against in this particular instance and get his extradition was refused to russia first by denmark and then by the united kingdom in part of the interview the presenter translates a beautiful four and actually refers to some of the militants. she does that she refers to the terror suspects of in the boston bombing as these boys take for example the new york times headline which made waves in the news world the headline read far from war torn homeland trying to fit in i mean that is sympathetic to the to the. freedom fighter salute and also portrays the image of chechnya absolutely ravaged country that's pretty much what you would see happening in iraq

or afghanistan whereas if you looked at the capital of grozny in chechnya today you would you would be amazed you would think it's or sydney or any other extremely civilized inhabited very minor i would say peaceful town or city even. separates an act of terror from any other kind of violent attack that's a question peter of well put to his guest on cross talk in the wake of the boston bombings here's a quick preview. why is possible terrorism but aurora sandy hook tucson and columbine not the muslim community in america today in fact is asking that same very question that why are some things able to terrorism worse is another which is not but more importantly the discussion that is going on in the dinner tables on the dinner tables these days among muslim families is that why is it that always a non muslim when somebody goes to sandy hook that they're all it is insane but

when a muslim commits an act of terrorism that they're all is perfectly fine psychologically i completely disagree that definition of terrorism that we get here to certainly in north america is threefold first it should involve a non-state actor that is an individual or a group secondly that targeting the violence should be directed against civilians some kind of a civilian target and third third should be some kind of a political game and it's the that last point that last part of the definition which separates the boston attack from the other ones which you just mentioned the . full edition of crossfire coming up in about an hour and a half year on r t so stick with us well as european countries wrestle with their budget deficits and slash military spending it's becoming tougher for nato to stay

fit physically afloat the alliance top officers slammed the e.u. allies for quote getting a free ride with us left to bear the burden of the defense finances crisis hit nato states have already chopped more than forty five billion dollars from the alliance's treasury is the equivalent of germany's entire military budget the number of european troops in the u.s. led bloc also has dropped from two and a half million in two thousand to one point eight six million now and while the u.s. is also trimming its military cos its share of the budget is still seventy five percent of the total as artie's tesser so he reports from brussels concerns over nato as future could be growing. the nato secretary general anders fogh rasmussen had actually come out and warned its partners against the danger of defense spending cuts as we've already seen especially from its european partners this opinion was also echoed by the former u.s. defense secretary robert gates he said that if this trend does continue to be alliance it could be in danger of moving into what he called

a collective military irrelevant so there's the question of whether nato will actually still be relevant given the decrease in its capabilities and there are signals coming from the u.s. that they are not keen on continuing that kind of partnership with this sort of inequality and also looking at the u.s. his own budget costs as well as its shift in priority especially after we've heard that pivot to asia so they have their own concerns with their questioning the kind of reliance the kind of partnership that they have especially with european countries moving forward they're also facing some lack of enthusiasm from the european members of germany for instance was very eager to contribute to any military operation so again. the nato secretary general had come out saying that the capability of nato will be impacted and there is a question of critics on the actual relevance of that the alliance. there's not much enthusiasm from its members to contribute or to to give more into into the

alliance moving forward defense budgets have been steadily declining across the alliance with few allies meeting their own goal of spending two percent of g.d.p. on defense. and takes a look at nato initial ambitions at its current perspective. the organization was created to counter the soviet union with soviet union long gone it has to keep easy over the years nato has gone from being a defense organization to becoming an offensive force with a missions that go far beyond north america and europe they refer to those ambitions as out of area operations which have included of ghana's stand in libya now part of nato the very powerful part which includes the u.s. the u.k. and france pretty much see those out of area operations as the future of the organization but. susie has to go global doesn't sync well with all twenty eight members of the alliance who know they will have to foot the bill the lack of consensus showed when germany by far europe's strongest nation refused to provide

resources for nato bombings two years ago back then nato has gone beyond its un mandate which was to protect civilians it has effectively created a power vacuum in which all kinds of extremists have flourished since then not to mention the destruction of the country's infrastructure but it was not just the u.n. mandate with libya nato has gone beyond its own core principle of the organization which is to stick to protecting its members the long war in of ghana's stand has made europe question the alliances mission their time and time again even now as nato forces prepared to withdraw many feared that what they are leaving behind is a security vacuum which promises it of aid that may never be fulfilled as the u.s. is pivoting to asia there's talk among nato members about a wider partnership like to get japan and australia more involved both have already made significant contributions to nato and not just those countries so with the organization growing there is another concern that nato may eventually be tempted

to present itself as the whole of the international community when it's not and it may set grounds for lateral actions in the future ignoring the broader international community the president is there and nato bombings of yugoslavia in the one nine hundred ninety s. some believe that campaign contributed to the. mindset that led to the war in iraq the kind of mindset that the international community the u.n. can be bypassed at the will of one or two powerful countries in washington i'm going to check out. nato has been reviewing its military spending amid biting austerity by introducing smart defense strategies last year it's based on pooling and sharing when partners are supposed to decide what they want to specialize in along with targeted spending on areas of common interest or sushi spoke with james goldgeier dean of the school of international service at american university in washington and a former member of the national security council for his take the problem is with

the notion of smart defense first of all it gives rise to the notion that what nato has been doing up to now is dumb defense which i don't think it's because the effort to be smarter is really a reaction to the reality of the financial crisis and the continued cuts that burden sharing issue is not new the united states is always complaining that the europeans aren't doing enough and i do think that if the united states wants the europeans to do more the united states needs to unable to do europeans to have a greater voice in what nato does and doesn't do well is it possible with no clear enemy to fight and not enough money does the modern world still need to nato. well we've seen over the last twenty years that there have been situations that have arisen and nato has responded the balkans in the one nine hundred ninety s. . the war in afghanistan libya where the international community turn to nato to respond to the situation in libya because there's no other institution in the world

that can respond in that way so for all the problems nato has there's no other institution in the world that can do what nader does but is nato truly inspiring peace around the world that we have been covering a story here at r.t. today so many international professional analysts saying that for example the western led war on terror actually inspired she hottest to group together against the west rather than sowing the seeds of peace around the world how would you read into that these individuals who are responsible for the boston bombings lived here in the united states and so it requires a multifaceted response and occasionally that response is going to need to be military in nature to stop attacks from occurring. well stay with us here on r t still to come a hunger for freedom of london calling for the release of the last few case citizen in guantanamo who's also joined the hunger strike their official saying ninety two detainees involved in the protests but lawyers claim the actual number is higher all the details after

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international in the very heart of moscow. eighteen minutes past the hour now the u.s. sending more medics to tend to the rising number of hunger striking detainees at guantanamo bay officials say more than half of the hundred sixty six captives now refusing food with a final u.k. resident of the jail among them a small group in london staged a protest against shakhtar armored. being held in the detention center demonstrators calling for his release and the closure of the camp has been twice cleared by u.s. authorities but it's never been but has never walked free clothes before washington introduced a new obstacle whereby the secretary of defense must certify that britain is

a safe place for him to return to and he won't commit a future crime as shadow lord chancellor said econo says even m.p.'s are being kept in the dark about why omar is being held without charge. the minister today was also the question one of the reasons why the american authorities have got to detention and he tellis basically that he couldn't tell us why the americans the keep in him in detention so even m.p.'s being told the reason why that intention is look if you've done something wrong he should face the music he should beach charged he should be tried they should be open justice reasons why some of it is called be heard in public fair enough but this should still be a troll you conversation with somebody he's held in detention indefinitely well the prospect of a trial in two thousand and thirteen but it looked a little bit because if for the last eleven years. is a disgrace should be closed down. our team spoke with shakur armors lawyer you can see the interview with clive stafford smith in about twenty minutes meanwhile

sixteen detainees on a hunger strike in guantanamo being force fed to prevent death from starvation six in a military hospital in critical condition the protest was sparked by alleged mistreatment by guards with some detainees increasingly desperate because they're being held indefinitely without charge law professor jonathan hafetz says the crisis won't end until the demands of the captives are met. the hunger strikes as military officials themselves have acknowledged are triggered at bottom by the system of indefinite detention and the prolonged think about you know course aeration without trial of individuals and it's not surprising that the u.s. is stepping up its its operations because it's no it doesn't want you know it doesn't want individuals to die at one time or because it's going to again i think you know throw into into light the real for where to start relief the real problems that want to animal and the way forward though is to you know is two and a system of indefinite detention to repatriate individuals who. are not can be

charged with crimes and the the the few that are going to be charged should be put up for a court and given a trial that's the that's the only way forward that's the only long term solution to the problem otherwise we're going to continue to see hunger strikes you know look again at and things will continue to happen unless the u.s. puts these puts these measures into place at this point it's just it's just politics that are politics and a lack of political courage a lack of commitment to principles. head over to our web site now if you missed something on the air and there's even more a click away including this crowd at a concert in argentina getting a surprising extra for the price of admission as the sky illuminated by what looks like a media your footage on our teeth dot com plus. global credit company facing a monthly two hundred thousand dollar fine in iceland after the country rules that it's wrong to block donations to wiki leaks tracked the story and.

russian opposition leader alexina volumnia has gone on trial over embezzlement charges facing up to ten years behind bars for allegedly stealing half a million dollars' worth of timber from a state owned company and says he's being framed in the case against him is purely political or hear a piskun of has more. but it's not only has once again pleaded not guilty adding that he is sure his innocence will be proven true to court meanwhile his lawyers have lodged an objection to the judge accusing him of taking the side of the prosecution the objection was denied along with their appeals to reschedule the hearing and to send the keys back to the prosecutor's office since they've been saying they're not being given enough time to properly go through all the documents and that the case itself was put together with the various irregularities but exactly a week ago the defense did manage to reschedule the hearing and they've openly said that the tactic to delay stall and attract as much media attention is possible and

in that sense they have been quite successful similar as exactly a week ago that courtroom spanked with journalists in no one is one of the most controversial opposition bloggers in the country he became widely known due to his online anti corruption projects he's a few years critical of the kremlin and became one of the leaders of the opposition during last year's mass protest he's also known for his a linked for his linked to russian nationalists and the authorities are accusing him of organizing a criminal scheme to steal a round a half a million dollars worth of timber from a state company allegedly back in two thousand and nine when he was the aide to the local governor in cuba of the guilty he may be looking at up to ten years behind bars. and his supporters. denying all the accusations and are saying that this is purely political. turning out to some other stories making global headlines this hour and our man shot and killed by people in the small american town of manchester

illinois victims all members of the same family including the grandmother a young couple and their two children ages one and five another child in serious condition in the hospital police shot the suspect as he fled the scene he died of his injuries later in the hospital locals claim the man was stressed by a custody battle with another member of the same family. in dhaka bangladesh about one hundred people killed when an eight story building collapsed army police and volunteers still working to find victims trapped under rubble at least eight hundred people injured reports say two thousand people were in the building when it came down the only only the ground floor that housed a mall and several factories remains intact locals say they saw cracks forming in the building tuesday. the death toll in iraq has hit the one hundred mark after two days of deadly violence thirty five died wednesday including twenty two in a rest after avenge crusade following a deadly raid by security forces on

a protest camp near kirkuk where fifty three were killed iraqi officials met to discuss the mounting crisis according to the iraqi parliament speaker the military's actions in the city were quote a flagrant violation of the constitution. within the next twenty or thirty years it's possible that a fully autonomous weapon deployed on the battle field could confuse a young girl with an ice cream cone for a soldier with a gun it's what campaigners in britain claim declaring the war on so-called killer robots activists saying a lethally are machines should be banned before they're ever put in warfare r.t. sarah for has more. so perhaps not the most usual sight on the streets of london but this guy here is actually carrying quite an important message for the launch of the stop the killer robots campaigns leading activists impression converged in london to launch the campaign calling for a preemptive ban on fully autonomous weapons let's tell us more about this i'm

joined by steve for human rights watch thank you very much for joining us what is a killer able this guy's a killer obviously but what's it all about this friendly robot that is not armed killer robots or fully autonomous weapons are future systems that will operate without human control this is the scary part you're taking the human out of the loop allow the robots the machines to make decisions about what to target on the battlefield and when to pull the trigger no human involvement i love this is gaining a lot of interest this is obviously what you want people taking out the message what information do you want to get out there what do we not know about because a lot of people say this is advancing technology and it's all good we're not against technology we're not against robotics we're not against the movement towards greater autonomy in robots but we want to stop our arms systems killing systems that have full time where you take the human out of the loop always in every case what has to be the fundamental principle is that

a human must always be meaningfully involved in the control over decisions to launch weapons and to fire at it might all sound a bit hollywood but it's not as far off as you might think many campaign is still a science fiction like arms race is already quietly getting underway with developers standing to make huge amounts for really creative deals it is like this big dog throwing blocks of concrete to cause concern little public debates yet being had about the implications of the development of this type of technology people think of fully autonomous weapons they think of the terminator they think by . something like this guy just saying that's not what it looked like you know the whole it's more likely to be a small tiny tiny. i mean the developments are the the darpa thus the research wing of the pentagon the courser for instance us a research platform for this and a seven and

a half six we try to reduce quite extraordinary piece of technology they also have a project which is called developed in the thomas submarine that consumed over submarines but since to testing and then the koreans and there is well it's not robots kind of would fall over in a bottle and this is being launched in london how big a road c.-k. have to play in comparison say the u.s. instead leading the way with this well we've got to be a systems is on their second one we've got to something called that's going to be tested. this year destry a spent a year and a half behind development but that's fully a thomas intercontinental combat aircraft but when it comes to fully autonomous weapons we're not there yet but they. say that the more time this allows the pos and the more money this planet into developing this type of technology the closely ma fine fiction reality.

and the taj is joining me now with all the leaders business news so moving from killer robots to trader robots i can actually kill the day's gains in a matter of seconds tell us more well that's exactly what happened on tuesday the robots wiped off two hundred billion dollars off the dow in a matter of minutes. in the business bulletin we will tell you what the traders a saying about this and what structural problems in the market highlights all of this after the break. wealthy british style. tight tight. market. find out what's really happening to the global economy

with mike stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines two kinds of reports. choose your language. clearly make it without the materials and still some.

true it's good. to use that in the great. choose the stories to. choose accents to. see. thirty one minutes past ten pm here in moscow welcome to business with me that the show has kept a full tweet from i have to associated press account on monday wiped out almost one hundred forty billion dollars of the s. and p. five hundred in a matter of seconds the fake claim of an attack on the white house and the dow jones industrial average down one hundred twenty points that's losses of roughly two hundred billion dollars now both in the seas recovered within minutes but the

incident really raises a lot of questions first of all about the reliability of the system as a whole especially after market players said overall what trading programs made the scary moment so much more difficult for traders i asked the shock's a de key a market strategist at capital in london if we should be happy or concerned that robots are replacing humans on the trading floor. there is a to two sides of the coin in the sense that one it does show that there is an increase to move the world in terms of all that one ability trading system to extremely vulnerable to news but on the other side the fact that. markets are very quick to detect news information and start to start making the right sort of decision right but this is actually quite scary because this scenario which can be repeated pretty much it any moment we'll really highlight some serious structural problems what are the main ones that you're seeing right now and how can they be

fixed. yeah absolutely i think the structural problems that you have to look at and one in this particular case is unfiltered news only. most of us banks and trading houses will rely on verified news sources news agencies to make their investment decisions in this particular case it seems like twitter and other social media networks are taking off and because the news is unfiltered we just don't know who what what if these are grueling training plans actually using the right source of news and the other structural problem is really algorithmic trading as a robots. robots trading based on what humans want in terms of a preordered or preprogrammed decision. it poses a big threat when it comes to news and unfiltered news and news that hasn't been checked and i think what's going to. institutional funds and banks going to have to go back to the drawing board really look at the systems and start putting out

different premises and ramping up the security measures on that side so i think it's going to a lot of security and we are going to start seeing a new wave of internet security and new security coming through with the trading systems on wall street and within social media itself do you think it might be an incentive for an incentive basically the fact that it's reacting so drastically for sol. to actually you know keep doing it and do it in volumes because i mean if it can plunge you know two hundred billion dollars in four minutes i mean that's a good entry point for some right i mean that's a way of making a ton of money. yeah absolutely and we're there are people who actually use this sort of people who lost. someone who one of the trade as well presented a perfect opportunity for people to go to the market at low prices start benefiting on that but again it was such a it was a three minute three to four minute period where the dow jones industrial average recovered its losses on the whole. i think the f.c.c. and and u.s.

agencies still raise a stroke trying to figure out who really made a loss. and how significant it was but in terms of if it's going to be incentive to promote and bring about a new security measures within wall street and with the news media and social media i think most definite i think twitter's going to have to look at securing cations system for. authorized accounts from news agencies such as the a.p. reuters and bloomberg and cetera. and a sign now to check out the markets on wall street stocks were poised for a third day of gains but they ended up shedding some value on unexpectedly weak report on orders for durable goods even some very ugly earnings from companies including boeing and apple failed to change the sentiment so far at least the trade is still in full swing now europe saw the fourth straight day of gains for its equities and that says the markets widely expect the c.b.

to further cut the interest rates to actually record low especially as germany reports on and on expected slump in its business confidence more in just a moment as for the european currency it edged closer to a q week low against the dollar on wednesday here in russia the ruble managed to strengthen against both major currencies and higher oil prices no doubt played a role there we witnessed an incredibly good day on the russian equity markets in fact the biggest daily gains this so far this year for both of my six and the r.t.s. among the blue chips touched nafta and bruce hydro outperformed the market by far putting on eight and nine percent respectively now businesses in germany europe strongest economy are quite pessimistic about their future leaders business confidence data released on tuesday shows

a bigger than expected drop and that's despite a relatively stable job market and pretty low inflation let's hear the details from business or teasing katie being. german business confidence did indeed contract for a second consecutive month in april and this is bad news for the economy held as the powerhouse of the region of course the biggest economy in europe now these figures were based on seven thousand companies and it really demonstrates that confidence is evidently going down now why a lot of this is to do with external factors as well of course you got stalling growth in china a political stalemate in italy recently as well as the default pull in cyprus none of this has helped the tool of really businesses in germany a wondering where is this growth going to come from right now also want to mention that the private sector also contract it as well now she sent the your eye to its lowest level against the u.s. dollar in every way so already the president is playing into the coin now the

e.c.b. the european central bank all meeting next week and they're set to discuss a new interest rate policy and now might be the time to cut interest rates so certainly be bearing this german business data in mind when they make that decision so another day in europe and another dismal economic data release and that's all latest from us in the business this hour up next our t.v. interviews the lawyer of one of the hunger striking guantanamo prisoners that's after a short break stay here marty. we are facing a lot of problems. because no one no good school. mates . are.

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the international airport in the very heart of moscow. the last remaining british resident at guantanamo bay says he says he will die

there as a result of what he calls systematic torture forty seven year old soccer all the has been at guantanamo bay for more than eleven years now without trial or charge let's now speak to his lawyer clyde stuff that's miss he's also the director of legal action charity reprieve thank you very much for joining us when was the last time you speak to i spoke to shaq the last week on the telephone i was trying to get another i got a message from one of my clients that one of my other clients that he desperately needs to talk again but they're not letting me have another one till next week would you take in less than. well i'm in the heart and we went on for an hour and it was basically mainly about the hunger strike but i think he was more down he had lost a lot more weight in the days between that call and when i had before and he was really concerned that he was fading it's been more than two months now that that hunger strikes how is his health his health was terrible before he started under

strike and. what do you think when you stop eating for two months he's being horribly abused i mean the u.s. unfortunately is taking a very vindictive attitude the colonel in charge of the camp seems to have an absurd position on how you treat people the colonel said to one of my other clients . we know how to deal with you because i've got children myself. and this response which i thought was quite humorous was if he's treating his children like he treats us we need to send the social services around that to straighten them out when prisoners talk about obesity yourself seeing evidence of that shack is going through what they now call f c a which is forcible cell extraction it's a euphemism that's gone through many transitions over the last several years they used to call that the emergency reaction force which shakhter called the extreme repression force. and what that is is when

a prisoner doesn't do exactly what they're told the six being dressed up you notice if they're in their outfits come in and basically beat him up to make him do it the pen into the floor and check it describes how this one guy who's three hundred pounds to the sits on him sometimes needs him in the stomach and i've seen the bruises on him from this process this is happening to him all the time right now because they have a process where anything he asks for they won't just give it to him they send see a team and so if he wants a bottle of water they send the goons in if he wants his medicine and they send the kids and what he told me last i talked to him was it's just not asking for his medication anymore because he doesn't want to get beaten up to get it but there's one other being to guantanamo bay i've seen very little information about what goes on inside that what is it actually like inside the detention camp the scene the breezes will sit in that place well i've spent my whole life representing people on

death row so i've been to most of the death row of the southern states of america. guantanamo for all the nonsense that the military puts out about it is worse than any death row i've ever been to on two different levels first you've got the physical treatment of the prisoners there's no prisoner prison in the united states where you could be to prison or up and not get sued. into the next millennium so it's worse because no one controls the military but on another level it's fog with and that psychologically. the military go to upset at us way back when when we called it the guantanamo do that because they didn't like the echo of the soviet union in the old days so to take that analogy a bit further which i think is totally fair i don't think it was a given that in soviet russia where fifty two percent of the prisoners had been

told that they were cleared for release that they couldn't go i mean is that sort of torture that's within anything you hear in other places eighty six out of one hundred sixty six prisoners have been told that cleared but they can't go shack was told he was cleared in two thousand and seven by bush two thousand and nine by. he's still there and there is no legitimate reason why he can't come back to london tomorrow when we talk about him being cleared for release i understand there's new information that's come to light recently and that the foreign secretary william hague well tell us what he said but the new information that just came to light this new dissent from ation which is william hague the british foreign secretary wrote to me saying that he had been told by the americans that shachar is the only kid to go to saudi arabia not to britain well that's total drivel there's no other person i know of out of one hundred sixty six people in guantanamo and they've been cleared to go to one place shaq has never been told he's only kid to go to one

place he's been given two notices neither of which say that now there's a reason for it and the reason is they want to gag him and the people who want to gag him is not just the united states the u.s. wants him to go to saudi arabia on the premise that the saudis will keep him banged up forever he want to be able to talk to the media and he won't talk to anyone so certainly the u.s. would like to keep shaq aquash because of everything he's seen and everything that's happened to him but i'm very. much afraid that it's also the british intelligence services who want to keep him quiet because they know that schacher is a witness against them going back to baghdad therefore space in january two thousand and two schachter was that the british saw him. legally complicit in his torture that but also the shakha saw they've been shaken libby being tortured and this is the most embarrassing example of torture that america's had

the last thing that the british or americans want to come out of guantanamo bay shut karama who can shed some light on the torture that that catastrophic mistake what is it is that other detainees i know exactly what he knows because he's told me he was in that ground he was one of the first five prisoners held by the americans in background and he was taken there just before new year two thousand and one and libby had just been taken in the americans at the time thought he was a big time al-qaeda person which he was and he was never a member of al qaida so the americans were abusing him to try to get him to make statements shakar was taken from the cage where he was being held and background into the room where libby was being abused he saw the people who were there you can identify some of those people the british were present in. at that time and he can

tell you a whole lot about what was going on in terms of the abuse of libby now libby can't speak for himself because he was sent back to libya where according to the libyans gadhafi died or according to other people was murdered so one extraordinarily embarrassing witness has disappeared and shakhtar is one of the few people who remain i just like to be. in testimony that he rightly said they these adult cattle is an adult. if i can see the light well over one hundred prisoners a striking in solidarity we're not going to take it anymore and he said that. the riots recently began with the koran being disrespected but it is now much more than that. they've been hunger strikes the full what do you feel this time is different this time is different for two reasons one is that many many more people on hunger strike and the thing they give shakha hope is he feels that there is solidarity among the prisoners that he hasn't seen for

a long time in that prison but there's another reason it's very different and that's that the americans response is just barbaric and that's not having the desired effect the council in charge thinks that he can beat people into submission but these are guys who have suffered for eleven years and there is nothing throughout them that they haven't seen before so they're just not going to put up with that now what you've got to really worry about is that it's going to be different in another way which is that people are going to die and that support most concerned about is that not just shack a bit fifteen plants down the still very concerned that more than one of them will end up getting out of guantanamo in a coffin i think that's a realistic possibility i think shaq you could die just because of his physical ailments i mean this is a guy who's told me before that he's slowly falling apart slowly dying in a step by step that he wouldn't have to go on hunger strike for me to worry about

because the litany of his physical ailments is a page long and he's not getting proper treatment for any of them so he and other people could very well died people have died and in guantanamo this hunger strike makes it exponentially more likely again partly because the americans don't know what's going on they think some of my guys aren't on the list right when i know they are and that really worries me that not keeping close tabs on people's physical well being how is it possible that they don't know that some people are in hunger strike when they actually are the same way that they think a fourteen year old child is a big time terrorist member of london cell of al-qaeda when it's never been. britain another of my clients it's because they just have good intelligence about almost anything if you think about this was a guy called mohammed ali gorani who i represented and you think they couldn't work

out how old he was eight years of interrogations that gives you some insights on how limited then knowledge about everything is on that base and so just to give you one example i know one of my clients is accepting liquid supplement ensure not from self but one of his mates who has been really really ill and he's forcing this guy that take it because he doesn't want his friend to die now the americans think my client's taking that but he's not so there's just so many things that the u.s. doesn't know and they don't know because they're not treating these people as humans if they treated the prisoners with respect to the prisoners would treat them with respect for what you seem yourself what evidence do you have that people are actually dying inside well i've seen people's physical status i've made shaq strip off for me so i can see some of his physical ailments i've done that with other prisoners i've watched check in with a tube up his nose when he was being force fed and i watched him pull that chew belt you know the u.s.

general made a comment in public it's not me saying it where he said he was going to make it less convenient for the prisoners by pulling that tube out every time they fed meaning you have one hundred twenty centimeters long tube stuffed up you don't know it. and then pulled out after each feeding now that's just barbaric it is illegal for them in the first place to force feed prisoners but to do it in that way just compounds the problem and they're doing it to try to force prisoners to give up their hunger strike that's just serious or wrong but i'm afraid the military authorities don't seem to understand is these guys have suffered enough to join. it's not going to take being abused into submission again so we i want both sides to be reasonable i don't want my clients to die and i don't want the military to the bad when they do whatever and survive but they want to do this in

a way of resolving this combative mentality that we see going on between the guards and the detainees there's no way to get around the confrontation between the military and the prisoners unless the military is willing to be less confrontational i mean you don't run prisoners prisons by beating people up any sensible person i've dealt with prisons my whole life and any sensible wouldn't ever person tries to reach accommodation treats people decently treats them like human beings and then they get that and response but as long as the us thinks they can just. use people the so if they were abusing a three year old then what do you expect he told us about the evidence of m i six involvement well first we have to recognise that taking any prisoner to guantanamo was a serious breach of the geneva conventions a war crime so the british should never have had anything to do with one time about in the first place but did they of course they did they were sending agents first a background check was held then to canada where he was held again for example and

then to guantanamo where all the prisoners were held and they were interrogating people that that's illegal they were providing information very often misinformation and check his case to the americans that was then used to maintain this detention without trial all of this is a criminal offense all of this ultimately if i have my way they're going to end up facing the international criminal court which is certainly what i got my sights if the british police don't do it lies that that's the thank you very much for joining us today ok. ok going on.

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